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logr · Last edited by logr on Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:12 pm; edited 2 times in total

There will be an Asnw Meeting Feb 6, 2010 at 5:30 sharp in a meeting room below the Palenque Mexican Restaurant in Liberty Lake, Wa. Take the Liberty Lake exit south and it is across from Albertsons. This will be when and where we decide the club practices and procedures for the year. If you want a say in anything to do with the club, be there. There are some important decisions to be made and the more members helping, the better. Our club covers such a large geographic area that one large meeting to decide the direction for the year seems to make the most sense and then let the officers decide the little issues that come up along the way with help from the forum.
Things to be discussed;
A season point structure to eliminate ties,
A season tech structure,
A TT possibility,
Decide the schedule for type and number of events,
ASNW School/Club/Novice Day
Work Days, when and what to do,
Decide on new purchases, scanner and printer for time slips, etc,
Tents (shade) at the track,
Not charging for the end of season Trophy Banquet for ASNW members,
Lunch ideas,
Chief responsibilities and appointments,
How to determine each event winner, Proposal is to add the fastest morning run to the fastest afternoon run for class winners. FTD might stay as the fastest single run, to be discussed,
Any new business as well.

This is a very important meeting. Please try to attend. If you feel strongly enough about something but can't make the meeting, please pm or e-mail me with your views and I will share them at the meeting or feel free to discuss them here.
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Door opens at 5:00, Meeting at 5:30 Appetitizers will be served
This is the one meeting you don't want to miss. There is a lot to cover so we will be moving quickly. Please come prepared to help decide the club future. Thanks, LOGR
P.S. The ASNW membership special will be extended through the meeting to give everyone the chance to join at the reduced rate.
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jrhaile · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 467 Location: Spokane, Wa

I will be there...
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idskiman · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:56 am Post subject:

just so everyone knows

LOGR has my vote/thoughts on everything in his list.
we talked since i will not be able to make the meeting.

Sorry i cant be there Sad

but as i said logr has my view points.

mv

Mr Yuck · Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 507 Location: Medical Lake

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Ragnorock · Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 148 Location: Pullman/Spokane

I am going to be there.
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gustav129 · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 126 Location: Coeur d'Alene ID

I'll try to make it, but I can't make any gauantees.
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kelsosmith1989 · Joined: 14 Jan 2009 Posts: 50 Location: Moses Lake, WA

As long as I'm not working that night, I'll be coming
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livenfine · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 138

Can't make the meeting, sorry, maybe next time we could do it in Cheney, WA. Here are my votes/thoughts...

-I vote for the SSSCC formula for computing points. It's impossible to have a tie as long as the number of events after drops is an odd number.
-Interested in novice chief but unsure how many events we can make.
-I vote is for not adding morning and afternoon runs.
-I vote is for a new PA system.

I have no opinion on the other agenda items. Thanks!

MV2 have fun!

iNetMANN · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:42 pm Post subject:

I'm there!

No really, I'm there!

Sorry, but I ate all the hors d'oeuvres!!! Wink

Ragnorock · Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 148 Location: Pullman/Spokane

Solo95 · Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 551

A season point structure to eliminate ties, Yes
A season tech structure, Yes , with allowance to tech any car by a tech inspector during an event
A TT possibility, Yes
Decide the schedule for type and number of events,
ASNW School/Club/Novice Day No Preference
Work Days, when and what to do No Preference
Decide on new purchases, scanner and printer for time slips, etc, Yes to any needed new equipment
Tents (shade) at the track, Yes , to any allowable structure
Not charging for the end of season Trophy Banquet for ASNW members Yes

Vic for Novice Chief Yes

BluToyBoy · Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:09 pm Post subject:

livenfine · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 138

Logr would this be a good place to post the SSSCC formula or did you want to wait on that?

livenfine · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 138

logr · Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:11 am Post subject:

Axware(our ORM system) has several points systems built into it. One of these is the SSSCC system with a tweak. Here is what Lynn told me; Our formula is: 100 - [250 x (Time - Time #1) / Time #1. It’s the “250” number that we tweaked. I think the default is something like “100”. The problem we had was when someone won their class by .001 or .002, then both 1st and 2nd place would end up with 100 points. By increasing that number in the formula, it made the winner get 100 points, and the 2nd place driver get 99.96 or something to that effect. I like this forumla because it keeps close drivers in the running right up to the end of the season as long as the spread is tight.

Rodd has been trying to find us a longer range bar code scanner. The one we borrowed from SSSCC had aa range of 100 ft and worked sometimes. The one we are looking at now has a range of 500 ft. It should work much better. Not everybody is in favor of this but trust me, if you were running timing you would be for this. We already bought a large wide screen monitor (Bryan found a great deal).

The wireless "point of sale" printer is just being considered. The system would run it and it could be a "time slip" for each car as they finish.

PA system, The discussion from previous meetings has been that since we added the small speakers close to the trailer that ours works pretty well. We have discussed moving the speaker closer to grid or possibly replacing that speaker. Our system can use some work on the FM transmitter to make the plug for the mike have a better connection. That is a problem in general since SSSCC has the same issue with the same transmitter.

livenfine · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 138

Don't let the formula worry you, it is transparent to the racers. It's built into the software and is calculated automatically. Instead of 25 points the winner now gets 100 points. The points for second place is based on a percentage of how well she/he did in comparison to the winner.

For example.
MV, Rodd and Athan are in the same class.

Athan's takes first with a pax time is 59.00
Rodd takes second with a pax time of 60.00
MV takes third with a pax time of 62.00

In our current system:
Athan would get 25
Rodd would get 22
MV would get 20.
Note-the number is determined by place not on time.

In the proposed SSSCC calculation:
Athan would get 100 points
Rodd would get 95.76
MV would get 87.28
Note-the number is determined by time not place.

Advantages:
1. No ties.
2. When you are in second and there is no way to take first, it's still possible to beat your own time to get more season points.
3. If you are winning, you can lengthen your lead on your last run by besting your own time.

idskiman · Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 10:19 am Post subject:

vic you got that wrong

MV takes first with a pax time is 59.00
Athan's takes second with a pax time of 60.00
Roddtakes third with a pax time of 62.00

Ragnorock · Joined: 20 Apr 2009 Posts: 148 Location: Pullman/Spokane

I like that points system... seems fair and will make for tighter, more accurate competition.

I'm on my phone so I can't really comment on everything properly but I agree with what logger was suggesting for purchases.
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Lars · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 334 Location: Pasco, WA

The part I like most about the percentage based system is that a person who gets 2nd by just a little bit gets almost as many points as the person who beat them. Same thing with 3rd, etc... Everyone gets their points based on a percentage from the class winner.
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Solo95 · Joined: 13 Jan 2003 Posts: 551

The points system discussed is nice , because even though you came in 3rd in class and were way off the pace of the front runners it does not
reward you for just showing up, but rather gives you points based on your class performance.

The long distance scanner is a must for opening up the distance from grid to the trailer. It will allow variable course designs. I have used the
short distance scanner, and as the timing guys know it can be a pain if
the signal isn't received at the trailer.

The PA system had needed some modernization for awhile now.

If the Club can afford the upgrades now then I am all for it, but if funds are limited prioritize and get them in that order. Sponsorship money often
helps out in these purchases.